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COMMSWG Repeaters

INTRODUCTION

We take a cellular approach to repeater networking. All or our repeaters are on low level repeater sites. But with repeater networking (via the Brandmeister Network), and implementation of roaming in client radios, we are able to achieve a seamless composite coverage foot print that equals or exceeds the coverage foot print of a high level repeater site.

Our repeaters are OPEN. However, we are serious about our operating rules and have implemented an FCC part 97.205(e) exclusion when necessary. Abide by the rules and you should have no issues.

If you want to participate in a regularly scheduled NET, please contact one of the repeater trustees and make a request. We can set up a timed static talk-group subscription on time-slot 1 to support a NET so that participants do not need to key their radio periodically to maintain the talk-group lease. The same can be done if you have a regularly scheduled contact on a talk-group that does not have a static talk-group lease (for a 30-minute to 1-hour window).

SITE-TO-SITE ROAMING

All of the UHF Motorola repeaters beacon at a 60 second interval to support site-to-site roaming. The VHF repeaters do not beacon and do not support site-to-site roaming in order to not overload other in-band equipment at the VHF low level repeater sites.

A client radio can be programmed with a roaming group that is a collection of the COMMSWG UHF repeater channels, and when roaming is enabled, should result in automatic channel switching in the event of lost coverage to a specific repeater, provided that the client radio is within range of one of the COMMSWG UHF repeaters.

If programming of roaming is not implemented in the client radio, the operator will need to manually select channels when moving from the coverage foot-print of an individual repeater to another repeater.

DENIAL TONE

When a client radio emits a low frequency audio tone shortly after keying, this is a denial tone. A denial tone occurs when the client radio is out of range of the repeater, or when the repeater is transmitting identification via analog FM morse code. If you believe you are in range of the repeater and hear a denial tone, please wait a few seconds for any pending morse identification to complete and then try again.

MONITORING COMMSWG REPEATER ACTIVITY

Activity on the COMMSWG repeater network can be observed by clicking here .

ABOUT ON-LINE REPEATER DIRECTORIES

We do not maintain information about the COMMSWG Repeaters on other sites that provide repeater data. We have, in the past, gone to great lengths to maintain data on other repeater listing sites, including technical data, drive testing of repeater coverage, etc. We have experienced repeated destruction of the data that we have submitted on our repeaters, either through neglegent site update practices that are data destructive, or by modifications submitted by persons not affiliated with our repeaters. Further, some data submissions, such as ARTSCI (who we do not recommend because any effort to make their publication more accurate actually becomes punitive to the person sumbitting data), have resulted in incurring years of unwanted email solicitations (to which there is no functional unsubscription method.

We are sorry, but because of experiencing at least a subset of these issues with every repeater directory service we have attempted to participate in, we will not attempt to maintain information about these repeaters on other sites. It just is not worth our time or effort to do so.

Please don't ask us to update on-line repeater directories.

COMMSWG DMR REPEATERS

The following table provides basic information on the COMMSWG linked DMR repeaters.


DMR REPEATERS
#DMR
ID
CALL
SIGN
FREQUENCY
(MHz)
OFFSETCOLOR
CODE
CITYCOUNTYSTATETYPEMAKE
MODEL
MASTER
SERVER
SERVICE STATUSNOTES
1311602W7CIA441.7500-1CASCADEVALLEYIDFIXEDMotorola
XPR-8300
3103IN SERVICE1,2,3,5,A
2311607W7ELE146.6400-1MCCALLVALLEYIDFIXEDHytera
RD-982 VHF
3103IN SERVICE1,2,3,5,D
3310225N7IBC441.9250+1LAKE FORKVALLEYIDFIXEDHytera
RD-982 UHF
3103FM CONVERSION PENDING1,2,3,5.C
4311994KA7ERV444.1250+2CENTERVILLEBOISEIDFIXEDMotorola
XPR-8300
3102IN SERVICE1,2,3,5,6,A
5313155KA7ERV443.6750+1IDAHO CITYBOISEIDFIXEDMotorola
XPR-8300
3103IN SERVICE1,2,3,5,6,B
6313158N7IBC444.1250+3MCCALL
(DOWNTOWN)
VALLEYIDFIXEDMotorola
XPR-8300
3103IN SERVICE1,2,3,5,B




COMMSWG & W6YOP NETWORKED FM REPEATERS

The following table provides basic information on the COMMSWG linked analog FM repeaters. Please note that the maximum permissible deviation on the W7CIA and N7IBC FM repeaters is ±6.25 kHz maximum (with a 12.5 kHz bandwidth). A station accessing these repeaters with wider deviation than 6.25 kHz will go out of the receiver pass band and will not be inteligible.


FM REPEATERS
#CALL
SIGN
STATION
TYPE
FREQUENCY
(MHz)
OFFSETACCESS
TYPE
ACCESS
CODE
LOCATIONLINKED TONOTESSERVICE SATUS
1W7CIAAllStarLink HUBCascade, IDW6YOP High Level Linked SystemAllStarLink Radioless HubIN SERVICE
2W7CIAREPEATER146.9600-CTCSS88.5Cascade, IDW7CIA HUB2m RepeaterIN SERVICE
3N7IBCREPEATER441.9250+CTCSS88.5 HZLake Fork, IDW7CIA HUB70cm RepeaterINSTALLATION PENDING

The following image shows the linked FM repeater network. Green arrows indicate linked connections via the AllStarLink network. Gold arrows indicate RF linked connections.







Do not use CB lingo on the COMMSWG repeaters. For example, someone responding to a call is exactly that, a response to a call, and not a 'come-back'. You worked hard to get your Amateur Radio license, and are to be congratulated. But it is time to step it up. The best advise given to anyone in this area was provided by K1BMW when he advised new hams to "talk like you're on the telephone." You wouldn't use CB lingo on the phone. Don't use it here.





COMMSWG DMR REPEATER OPERATING RESTRICTIONS


NOTE 1: On all COMMSWG DMR repeaters, time-slot 2 is reserved for Local Traffic ONLY, using talk-group 311602 to link all of the repeaters in the above table. Talk-group 311602 is referred to as Valley County Primary, and is abbreviated as VC Pri in the channel naming among most of our user's radios. User radios should have talk-group 311602 programmed on time-slot 2, and this is the only talk-group that should be programmed on time-slot 2.

Any user that uses time-slot 2 with an application of any talk-group other than 311602 may find themselves subject to a Code of Federal Regulations, Title 47, Part 97.205(e) exclusion.


NOTE 2: Time-slot 1 is available for users to apply any dynamic talk-group that they desire. See the Brandmeister hosted pages for information on timed static talk-group subscriptions that support scheduled NETs or for static talk-group subscriptions. Although use of 3100 USA is not prohibited, we do not recommend use of this talk-group.

If a user wishes to participate in a regularly scheduled NET, the user should contact one of the repeater adminstrators to request that the NET be configured as a timed-static-talk-group on time-slot 1. When contacting a repeater administrator for this purpose, please indicate which repeater you intend to use for NET participation, the NET schedule and the talk-group used for the NET. A timed-static-talk-group makes the talk group static for the duration of the NET, making it unnecessary to periodically key the user radio to retain a dynamic talk-group timed lease. Contact with a repeater administrator may be most easily accomplished using the Valley County Primary channel as described in Note 1 above.


NOTE 3: All users are required to use a transmit admittance setting of Color Code Free. This requirement is to enforce courtesy to other users. Users who use a transmit admittance setting of Always may find themselves subject to a Code of Federal Regulations, Title 47, Part 97.205(e) exclusion. Simply put, follow our rules and be nice to others and you won't have any issues.


NOTE 4: The W7CIA repeater DMR ID of 310042 is primarily used to bring up new repeater hardware before deploying that hardware under a new DMR ID and call sign.


NOTE 5: In using any of the COMMSWG DMR repeaters, you agree to abide by the DMR operating practices outlined on the Idaho ARES web-site.

ADVISORY: It is not a very good idea to crap on the repeater trustees. It usually doesn't go well for those that do (this is one way to get a 97.205(e) exclusion).


NOTE 6: When Boise County Search And Rescue (BCSAR) is running an active incident, time-slot 1 on this repeater is reserved for licensed amateur radio operators in support of the BCSAR current and active incident. An active BCSAR incident on time-slot 1 uses talk-group 311994.

Any operator should use DMR monitor mode (also known as promiscuous mode) to verfy that time-slot 1 is not in use prior to operating on time-slot 1 on this repeater. Continue to use DMR monitor while operating on time-slot 1 to support prioritizing BCSAR access should an active incident occur. It is recommended that an operator inquire on time-slot 1 talk-group 31194 to determine if a BCSAR incident is active prior to beginning operations on time-slot 1 on this repeater.


INDIVIDUALS CONTRIBUTING REPEATERS TO COMMSWG

  1. Ray Montagne (W7CIA).
  2. Allan Perrins (WB6PHE).
  3. Larry Stokes (N7IBC).
  4. Richard Wagner (W7ELE).